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Post by RedFlag32 on Feb 9, 2008 22:49:37 GMT
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Post by Stallit 2 de Halfo on Feb 10, 2008 21:52:25 GMT
Couldnt really hear it much with my speakers, and i didnt really get the 'plot' to what he's saying.
He says that hostility to the gardai in Dublin inner city is, or would be equal to that anywhere else, due to the social conditions that are present.
From what i have seen, and from my general perception and assumptions, I dont think this is true. At least in terms of, lets say, youth, having fear of the authorities. At the Colm McNutt commemoration there, I was amazed at the fluidity of the youth attacking the psni. How 'natural' it came, and how much disrespect they had for the psni. Its learned of course, from watching the elders. But I wouldnt expect such behaviour coming as natural in Dublin, where there is more fear of the gardai.
The Dublin riots is an exception given the circumstnces.
Maybe im going off track. Yes, I think there is hostility (passive) to the authorities in disadvantaged areas in most places. The poor are the ones who are on the recieving end of the clubs in the end.
McCann is right IMO. But a distinction can be made when it comes to physical attacks on the police force between NI and the republic.
I also think this is a good thing, people having no respect for the authorities.
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Post by Papa C. on Feb 11, 2008 0:01:24 GMT
I think it's obvious that the police won't be accepted by a community that has experienced injustice at their hand and by that I mean the whole community and not just one or two families. This invariably happens in deprived areas. I personally think the family of Terrence Wheelock should take up arms in defense of their community. I mean, the Gardai have allowed a member of their community die in Garda custody. This kind of thing doesn't happen easily.
He makes a good point about protestants being attacked by the PSNI/RUC and having no way to stand up against them as they would in a well known nationalist area for instance. As socialists and knowing the nature of the police as being protectors of the state, who take orders from the state, we shouldn't be surprised by this either.
The state police don't have the luxury of being sectarian in certain situations as they have to take orders from the top when it suits 'the top'. If they are ordered to attack protestant (not nessicarily loyalist) areas, they have no alternative just like in nationalist areas. Non-Loyalist Protestants, who can't get any protection from the provos for instance (this has happened many times) are left between Republican or moreso Nationalist paramilitaries and the PSNI. They are left in political limbo and forgotten about. This doesn't happen in extreme Nationalist or extreme loyalist areas. Everyone, especially the media, forget about these people and, personally, I think the likes of the Irps should be running to their aid as working people of Ireland.
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