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What would the laws be regarding drug use in a communist Ireland?

What do you think should be or would be the attitude towards drug use?

[Papa C.]

I always had the idea that Communism was an international phenomenon so you can't really have a communist country as such because it’s a state of complete communal effort, which is why it’s so hard to achieve right now.

One party dictatorship isn't communism. It's simply a dictatorship no matter how people friendly it might be.

But besides all that, I think there’s a difference between drug use and drug abuse. Obviously drug abuse is damaging to the revolution because it’s damaging to the revolutionary and drug dealers are fundamentally capitalist. Most street drugs are addictive and harmful and can usually tear people’s lives apart and drug dealers always benefit financially from this. Only some drugs are not *very* harmful but all drugs are damaging to either your mental or physical well being.

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I always had the idea that Communism was an international phenomenon so you can't really have a communist country as such because it’s a state of complete communal effort, which is why it’s so hard to achieve right now.

One party dictatorship isn't communism. It's simply a dictatorship no matter how people friendly it might be.

But besides all that, I think there’s a difference between drug use and drug abuse. Obviously drug abuse is damaging to the revolution because it’s damaging to the revolutionary and drug dealers are fundamentally capitalist. Most street drugs are addictive and harmful and can usually tear people’s lives apart and drug dealers always benefit financially from this. Only some drugs are not *very* harmful but all drugs are damaging to either your mental or physical well being.

The way i see it is that the abuse of drugs is a sympthom of wanting to escape the system,when that system is replaced hopefully the escapism will decline and people would use durgs maturely.I think drink is the worst of them all(when abused) so im not too sure what kind of stance i would take regarding the legalizing of cannabis which in my view isnt as bad as alchohol.

I would allways be pro-choice,but in todays society that isnt feesible,because if you gave the people the coice to do drugs now,then we would have a world full of drug addicts because everyone wants to escape the system somehow and if using drugs was legal then that would be a option allot would take,I think in a socialist society that drug laws wouldnt change too much,i think the laws should change by themselves,when society is a place free from the desire to "escape" and when people decide not to abuse drugs,only then should laws be made to be pro-choice,its up to use to create a society where this is possible!

[Papa C.]

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The way i see it is that the abuse of drugs is a sympthom of wanting to escape the system,when that system is replaced hopefully the escapism will decline and people would use durgs maturely.


I think drink is the worst of them all(when abused) so im not too sure what kind of stance i would take regarding the legalizing of cannabis which in my view isnt as bad as alchohol.

Perhaps you haven't heard the recent stories of some Cannabis users developing Schizophrenia. What is schizophrenia you ask?

‘Schizophrenia - Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional, behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated with dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe and is caused by genetic, other biological, and psychosocial factors.’

How could you ask someone with these symptoms to do or use anything ‘maturely’?

Nobody uses Heroin maturely reasonably. The whole point about drug use/ abuse is that it makes you unreasonable, irrational and illogical. I would include drink in this. How then could you ask someone to use any drug maturely/ reasonably? It’s nonsensical.

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redflag32 said:

The way i see it is that the abuse of drugs is a sympthom of wanting to escape the system,when that system is replaced hopefully the escapism will decline and people would use durgs maturely.


I think drink is the worst of them all(when abused) so im not too sure what kind of stance i would take regarding the legalizing of cannabis which in my view isnt as bad as alchohol.

Perhaps you haven't heard the recent stories of some Cannabis users developing Schizophrenia. What is schizophrenia you ask?

‘Schizophrenia - Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional, behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated with dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe and is caused by genetic, other biological, and psychosocial factors.’

How could you ask someone with these symptoms to do or use anything ‘maturely’?

Nobody uses Heroin maturely reasonably. The whole point about drug use/ abuse is that it makes you unreasonable, irrational and illogical. I would include drink in this. How then could you ask someone to use any drug maturely/ reasonably? It’s nonsensical.

So would you be for making all drugs illegal or just the ones that are the worst for you?I wasnt including heroin when i was talking about using drugs maturely,i was mainly talking about cannabis or drink,heroin should be illegal and also any other hard drug,i would class alcohol as worse than cannabis even though i think cannabis is bad for you (obviously) so i think if your going to ban cannabis then drink should be banned too.

I know people who have developed schizophrenia who used drugs but i also know people who developed it who didnt do drugs,is it a case that it caused it or just aggrevated it.like someone who has epilepsy,drink would bring it out earlier,but it isnt the cause!

I know you cant expect someone with a mental disorder to use any drugs maturely,but surely that applies to drink aswell,which these people can get hold of because its legal.the responsibility is on the next of kin to do the mature thinking for them.

Its not the whole point for drug use to make u irrational and unreasonable,think about drugs like caffiene which make you think clearly,the problem is deciding which drugs are not so bad for you that we can be givin the personal choce weather to use them or not and which ones are completely bad for you,and i think currently we have it all wrong.I completely agree that heroin/cocaine/amphetamines/LSD should be banned,im just not so sure we got the cannabis and drink one mixed up,with all the bad effects of drink,there are still the majority of people who do not abuse it,surely cannabis would be put in the same catagory?if it was proved cannabis was really bad for you and the society id agree with banning it but i dont see that proof yet.the main reason i disagree with cannabis use is because by using it you come into contact with other illegal drugs and might be tempted to use them,if it was legal maybe it wouldnt be the case?

P.S I dont use drugs,and im not for legalizing cannabis or not i just think a few things need to be looked at closer regarding the drink/cannaabis debate,hope i dont sound like a hippy smoker

[Papa C.]

There's nothing I'd disagree with in your post. I think topics like this would really have to be put to a vote. You have to weigh the good with the bad in every situation. I'm no saint myself and I'm not completely anti-drug but I deffos thnk very harmful drugs should be seriously looked at.

When I spoke about illnesses, I was trying to get accross that they can aggrevate an already serious illness and obviously that's not a good thing. Truth be told all drugs are harmful in some way, it's just how harmful are they and should it be a call for concern.

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There's nothing I'd disagree with in your post. I think topics like this would really have to be put to a vote. You have to weigh the good with the bad in every situation. I'm no saint myself and I'm not completely anti-drug but I deffos thnk very harmful drugs should be seriously looked at.

When I spoke about illnesses, I was trying to get accross that they can aggrevate an already serious illness and obviously that's not a good thing. Truth be told all drugs are harmful in some way, it's just how harmful are they and should it be a call for concern.

Yea i agree with you there caoimhain,it really is a tricky one,I suppose it really should be done by vote,it would be the most democratic way of achieveing an answer!