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Post by RedFlag32 on May 13, 2007 14:56:01 GMT
Would you accept or support a united 32county capitalist Ireland? Do you think it is possible? Do you think it would further the cause of Socialism in Ireland? Discuss!  |
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Post by southarmaghceltic on May 13, 2007 22:41:43 GMT
I would strogly support a capitalist 32 county Ireland. I honestly dont know what republican wouldn't. It is ridding our country of the English vermin. And it is of course it is a step forward for socialism.
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Post by dangeresque on May 14, 2007 17:58:49 GMT
I don't think that realistically it would be possible, since the capitalists aren't interested in it, but yes, absolutely. It would reunite the labour movement which was divided and reduce sectarianism greatly.
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Post by RedFlag32 on May 20, 2007 14:17:48 GMT
I don't think that realistically it would be possible, since the capitalists aren't interested in it, but yes, absolutely. It would reunite the labour movement which was divided and reduce sectarianism greatly. Do you not think the capitalists would like to see a united Ireland? I think if they could pull it off without revolution they would. A united ireland based on capitalism would bring them more wealth after all. |
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Post by dangeresque on May 21, 2007 19:23:58 GMT
I don't think that realistically it would be possible, since the capitalists aren't interested in it, but yes, absolutely. It would reunite the labour movement which was divided and reduce sectarianism greatly. Do you not think the capitalists would like to see a united Ireland? I think if they could pull it off without revolution they would. A united ireland based on capitalism would bring them more wealth after all. No, I don't think they want to, that's the problem. Ireland historically developed two bourgeoisies - the nothereastern protestant bourgeois class who were tied to the empire and the southern bourgeoisie who sought at least nominal independence to pursue economic development that the empire blocked. Neither bourgeoisie wants a united Ireland, both are happy with the existing setup. Same for the British ruling class, they're 100% unionist. They're very pro-Irish nationalist now, that is they're in a coalition with middle class catholics and promote middle class identity politics - but that's different from republicanism as you well know  A genuniely democratic solution to the conflict in Ireland would be a step towards self-determination, even if just partially, and that's too much for the ruling class to stomach. |
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