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Post by RedFlag32 on Jul 26, 2007 13:10:22 GMT
How popular would it be or a revolutionary army to target capitalist structures or take part in a type of agrarian warfare today? What if shell was targetted for instance? Landlords who abuse foriegn nationals dependence? Road tolls? Would this type of action still be welcomed in modern Ireland?
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Post by Papa C. on Jul 26, 2007 15:08:23 GMT
I'm sure if you blew up the toll bridges it would be welcomed until the Government raised taxes or tolls to pay the developer to build a new one.
I believe it would be welcomed as much as any army has been. The ruling class will always punish the working class for the actions of any revolutionary grouping and that's something that an army would have to fully understand and plan for. To defeat the state you have to outsmart the Irish state because they will pull every trick they can out of the proverbial hat.
If an army were to defend protestors it would obviously be welcomed by the protestors and should be welcomed by all. The media and Government and Gardaí together would wage a counter-campaign of propaganda and armed counter-'terrorist' tactics and a lot of people tend to believe what they hear on TV.
Bottom line is if you're going to do it, do it right and make the state look like fools. It's the only thing they understand.
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Post by Stallit 2 de Halfo on Jul 26, 2007 16:31:53 GMT
As much as id love some group of radicals to start taking some direct action against the state and private property, i think in most cases it would be unproductive. I just dont think the Irish people are ready to accept that sort of tactic and action (in most instances). I mean, striking is even frowned upon these days. Last year engine drivers in Cork went on strike looking for higher pay for driving the new engines - the result: "How dare they hold up all those commuters from going to work to earn a living" I can just picture if the tollbridge was blown to crap. The toll prices would be raised to compensate for the increase in insurance and people would be outraged - "what did they think they were going to do, end the toll charges". Then youd have the poor nightstaff woman near frightened out of her shoes "Blessed be to Jesus, I though I was going to die, I could have been killed *weep weep*" plastered all over the news for the next month. Blowing the crap out of rossport would end up with negaitive effects aswell and more than likely wouldnt stop its construction. The Church and "moderation" has to much of a grip on the people of Ireland at the moment - "opiating them" ;D Then again, 1916 wasnt popular at the time - so stuff public opinion. A rural guerrilla war like that in Cuba I couldnt see working in Ireland. There are very few remote areas left where youd be out of sight. Ireland also has the most dense road network in the world - everywhere is accessable. We also dont have enough forest cover and there is too much open areas made way for farmland. There is also the case that we dont have a "rural peasantry" for sympathetic support. Youd most likely encounter some rich farmer in his tractor than anything else - a snooty little weasel who'd go ratting to the Gards - who are 99% farmers as it is. ;D If in the event that a guerrilla war is "the way" that socialism will be achieved - which I dont believe will be the case, not in the sense that we use guerrilla warfare now anyway - then it will be the urban areas where the guerrilla will thrive. Conventional armies are crap in urban areas, no amount of high tech goodies will beat a casually dressed sniper in Ballymun flats - just look at Iraq!!!. Expect lots of urban guerrillla manuals coming outta there, lets hope theyll be translated so we can learn a few new tricks  . |
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Post by dangeresque on Jul 26, 2007 18:14:38 GMT
I would avoid creating any formula about when it's correct or incorrect to use such tactics. I will trust revolutionaries in those situations as there are so many many issues to consider.
The most important issue to always keep in mind is that your actions are not being substituted for mass struggle. Armed resistance must always be an instrument of political struggle, rather than politics being a justification for carrying out attacks.
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Post by RedFlag32 on Jul 27, 2007 16:24:01 GMT
Ah shit, so did i dust off my balaclava for nothing?
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Post by dangeresque on Jul 27, 2007 20:40:05 GMT
Ah s***, so did i dust off my balaclava for nothing? LOL. |
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Post by Papa C. on Jul 30, 2007 7:06:40 GMT
Ah shit, so did i dust off my balaclava for nothing? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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