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Post by No One on Jun 24, 2007 20:17:59 GMT
people get lynched or dragged behind cars for less than that. its not really documented but it happens. in the southern US if a girl wanted to run away and marry someone who wasnt a christian theres no doubt she would be delt with in a severe manner... in the city i live in a few years ago there was a woman who was killed by her husband for asking for a divorce, they found her inside a tree near a land fill chopped into pieces. actually just a few days ago (obviously this isnt as extreme as being stoned to death or chopped into pieces) but a woman who helped authorities in a domestic abuse case was branded with "snitch" on her face, shes gonna have that on her face for the rest of her life.....
Tana Anderson
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 21, 2007 07:35 PM
Police arrested four people Thursday, a week after a woman reported she was kidnapped, her head shaved and her face branded with the word "snitch."
Police said the woman, 38, was marked with a branding iron as a form of retaliation after she turned in two of the people arrested to Child Protective Services in February 2006.
The woman said she was kidnapped near Main Street and Dobson Road in Mesa on June 13 and taken to an apartment. The kidnappers shaved part of her head and branded her face with the word "snitch," according to police.
he was then blindfolded and dropped off near Standage and Pepper Place, police said.
Witnesses found the woman burned, bleeding and stumbling down the street.
A police investigation led to the arrest of four Mesa residents: James H. Standridge, 34, Jackie L. Getz, 26, and Kibbol A. Avila, 33, on suspicion of kidnapping, aggravated assault and unlawful imprisonment; and Preston L. Valdez, 21, on suspicion of aggravated assault and unlawful imprisonment.
Police said Valdez, who they said did the branding, and Avila were recruited by Standridge and Getz to help.
i dont understand why anyone would ever do anything like any of that, it makes no sense to me, im just saying its not isolated to one region.
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Post by Seabird on Jun 25, 2007 12:02:26 GMT
noone,
I have no doubt these things have taken place, we are one of the most violent nations in the world. It just took me back that you singled out the south, which is truly far from the truth. While in the 50ies through the 70ies things were not idea for black people and many very horrible things happened, those have stopped. I have NEVER heard of anyone being stone to death however in my eyes abuse is abuse and it takes place every where not just in the south. I took offence to your statement because I am a southerner and have traveled all over this nation, while people assume we are much like the people in "Deliverance" we are not. As for your statement on Christians OMG where did you reason that out. If a young girl were to run away to get married she would be dealt with how? It would have nothing to do with the fact that she married a non-christian but that she got married. Christians would spend a life time trying to convert the young man not kill him or stone their own daughter for loving him. The south has been given a bad rep because of the old slave days, it is not like that now. When you speak of horrific things that are done on this side of the pond the reality is no city nor state is exempt, we each hold our record for violence. We are lving in vicious times with a dog eat dog mentality, we can thank capitalism for this! We have gotten away from our basic values of we the people for the people, until something changes we as a whole are destroying ourselves and this planet.
BTW where are you from?
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Post by dangeresque on Jun 25, 2007 19:47:38 GMT
That's really disturbing to put it lightly. I'm glad I didn't see any pics, would probably be one of those things I could never forget.
God that poor girl. And tricked by her own family... it's so disgusting in so many many ways...
Next time someone moans that commies are mean to religious believers, just bring this up!
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Post by RedFlag32 on Jun 25, 2007 20:13:21 GMT
That's really disturbing to put it lightly. I'm glad I didn't see any pics, would probably be one of those things I could never forget. God that poor girl. And tricked by her own family... it's so disgusting in so many many ways... Next time someone moans that commies are mean to religious believers, just bring this up! Any opinions on shud we show it or not comrade? I tok it down but i want to work this out democratically. |
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Post by dangeresque on Jun 26, 2007 18:46:57 GMT
That's really disturbing to put it lightly. I'm glad I didn't see any pics, would probably be one of those things I could never forget. God that poor girl. And tricked by her own family... it's so disgusting in so many many ways... Next time someone moans that commies are mean to religious believers, just bring this up! Any opinions on shud we show it or not comrade? I tok it down but i want to work this out democratically. Keep it off. You made the right decision. It's just pornography, it's disgusting. It's also what the scum want. I've had family members suffer extreme violence, and the thought of people watching their moments of terror is disgusting. websites that show those sort of things shouldn't be allowed to exist imo. |
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Post by No One on Jun 28, 2007 2:27:57 GMT
i live in new york now, but alot of my family still lives south of the mason-dixon line. and by no way am i generalizing alllll christians in the south or anything.... im not looking for an arguement with you, but in my experiences and with some of the unsavory and radical characters ive met down there, you cant convince me that if a christian girl from smalltown alabama wanted to go and marry a muslim or hindu man that their family would have no problems with it.
lynchings still do happen today. remember in texas just a few years back when a black man was dragged from a pick up truck for miles on a dirt road?? (surprising it got any press coverage at all).... im not generalizing the south as the only place this happens at all, it happens everywhere. i agree with what you said about people getting away from basic human values and morals, money and materialism has completely corrupted the human psyche in this age of social darwinism. its sickening to see what humans are capable of doing to each other, even worse when you see that its members of someones own family perpetrating this sort of violence. i agree with the things you say, i think what i had said was taken the wrong way by you however, all im saying is its not an isolated thing confined to a single region or culture.
i think taking it down was the right thing, on one hand i feel like its something people should see because it makes it more personal and enables whoever is watching it to relate more on a than reading a few words about what happened.... but at the same time, this young womans life is over, and for us to be watching her in her most helpless moments, last moments on earth is disrespectful i feel...
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Post by Stallit 2 de Halfo on Jun 29, 2007 0:19:33 GMT
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Post by Seabird on Jun 29, 2007 12:11:26 GMT
Red Militant,
There were an awful lot of "unclear" in the article. they should not have put it on wiki like that MHO. I know what is clear, she was brutally murdered for an offence that most teens would have been grounded for ie spending the night out or hanging out with the wrong crowd!
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Post by dangeresque on Jun 29, 2007 21:52:37 GMT
The only details that are disputed are inconsequential, such as whether or not she actually converted to Islam or just dated a Muslim, or if the killing was for just dating a Muslim boy or because she stayed away from home... I wonder if this will cast any negative light on the USA, since their strategy has been to divide Kurdistan from the rest of Iraq. This could be interpreted as one of the logical byproducts of reactionary ethnic nationalism. |
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Post by palisouljahgirl on Jun 30, 2007 0:01:35 GMT
i don't mean for this to come out the wrong way, i havn't seen the video, but it obviously seems beyond gruesome and cold-hearted, and all of this is probably so, however, i just want to mention that this is not your average day to day occurance. don't think this is in any means acceptable in the middle east or promoted, maybe in some far off remote village thats densely populated this may occur..one out of a million, but, again, you don't hear about these kinds of things all the time. actually, i never have unless from any other source but a western one. in saying that, having visited different countries in the middle east, i can assure you that women get away with a lot more than you may expect or think. just because they are veiled and conveyed in the media as being oppressed and abused, and murdered in "honor killings" doesn't mean thats the case. like i said..one out of a million..5 million..so on. you will find that in most countries there, there is more "civilization" in terms of family than you will ever find in the west.
again, if you would visit there, you will find that a lot of women get away with things you wouldn't imagine, and they are just banished from family..no head chopping or what you might see in the cinemas.
i apologize if this seems rude on behalf of the girl, i'm sure that this injustice that has been committed against her will have justice brought back, and i only hope that people don't take anything from her murder and walk away with the wrong ideas.
peace`1
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Post by No One on Jun 30, 2007 0:03:54 GMT
well said
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Post by RedFlag32 on Jun 30, 2007 10:00:02 GMT
i don't mean for this to come out the wrong way, i havn't seen the video, but it obviously seems beyond gruesome and cold-hearted, and all of this is probably so, however, i just want to mention that this is not your average day to day occurance. don't think this is in any means acceptable in the middle east or promoted, maybe in some far off remote village thats densely populated this may occur..one out of a million, but, again, you don't hear about these kinds of things all the time. actually, i never have unless from any other source but a western one. in saying that, having visited different countries in the middle east, i can assure you that women get away with a lot more than you may expect or think. just because they are veiled and conveyed in the media as being oppressed and abused, and murdered in "honor killings" doesn't mean thats the case. like i said..one out of a million..5 million..so on. you will find that in most countries there, there is more "civilization" in terms of family than you will ever find in the west. again, if you would visit there, you will find that a lot of women get away with things you wouldn't imagine, and they are just banished from family..no head chopping or what you might see in the cinemas. i apologize if this seems rude on behalf of the girl, i'm sure that this injustice that has been committed against her will have justice brought back, and i only hope that people don't take anything from her murder and walk away with the wrong ideas. peace`1 Great post mate,and welcome to the forum! ;D |
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